I just discovered this and thought I would mention it.... if you are on a New York Times website and you are wondering what a word means in an article, highlight the word with your mouse and then click on the exclamation point that pops up. Instant definition baby. Yeah!
I find this article to be a little skewed towards a teacher’s perception especially since they make assumptions in the article that should be left up to scientific data, mainly psychologists. Such as, “In line with Dean Hogge’s observation are Professor Greenberger’s test results. Nearly two-thirds of the students surveyed said that if they explained to a professor that they were trying hard, that should be taken into account in their grade.” What exactly is Professor Greenberger a professor of? Art? Certainly that could be over critical especially since I don’t have my transfer degree yet. Over all I can relate to the message a lot. On both sides. I’m a student, that is why I’m here to LEARN, not to pretend that I know everything. On the other hand, I think in a America we expect to get what we pay for. In this case I think the assumption is we deserve a degree just because we paid for the classes. But in actuality, paying for the class doesn’t guarantee that we will pass it. It just means that we are guaranteed a seat.
If you work hard it doesn't mean that the quality of your work is going to be the best. It seems to me that students are complaining to much and want to be handed a good grade just cause they worked hard on it. It really doesn't matter how much time or how much effort you put into something what matters is the final product. If that final product isn't up to standard it isn't desirving of a good grade.
The Dean of Studies at my high school always said that learning should come first and grades should come after. If you really want to learn and you have CQ and PQ then it shouldn't matter what grade you get. Would you rather take a class where you learn nothing and get an A, or one where you learn a lot and get a C? I would rather like to learn than just get grades.
the other point is that these students are gettinig these low grades in 100 series classes. the only reason there taking the class is because it fulfills the degree, not because it is in there area of intrest.
“Instead of getting an A, they make an A" This is the key concept that some students dont understand. Effort shouldn't be rewarded just by itself, but effort is rewarded in test scores, so if you don't get a good grade, then there's always more effort you could put into it.
You know if the students really wanted to "get A's" instead of earning them all they would have to do is set up a blog, similar to this one, and comment on all the classes they've taken. They could offer their opinions on how easy the class may be, the work load, etc. It would be just like movie reviews, once you found a reviewer that you agree with you could simply follow their lead.
Being a running start student I kind of still have the mentality that the harder you work the better the grade you should get. But the reality of college has hit me hard. I work very hard and still get low grades. But that’s okay because this is college not high school. We should not be so focused on grades but it is hard not to be. We should just keep in mind that we all are working towards a goal, to get a degree so we can get a better job and that these grades won’t matter in the future. The most important thing is just to pass the class.
showing up everyday, doing the work and what the grade you deserve in a class is a fine line. ive been to classes where ive shown up everyday, done every bit of work and didnt get even a high B, my boyfriend goes to central. he never goes to class and doesnt try one most of his work, hes got A's. i think showing up for class and doing the work should be a definite part of your grade but it really isnt everything. yeah it sucks when you pay for a class and then dont pass but maybe you just arent learning what you need to. every grading criteria has its goods and its bads.
I really have no patients for people who think just because they tried, they should receive a good grade. Its all about material. You can't be good at everything.
Kayla if you understand that people are not good at everything, then why are saying that the people that lost their jobs should have went to school? Maybe they were not good at it, maybe they never would have ever thought the economy would be this bad and they would lose their jobs after twenty years?
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I just discovered this and thought I would mention it.... if you are on a New York Times website and you are wondering what a word means in an article, highlight the word with your mouse and then click on the exclamation point that pops up. Instant definition baby. Yeah!
I find this article to be a little skewed towards a teacher’s perception especially since they make assumptions in the article that should be left up to scientific data, mainly psychologists. Such as, “In line with Dean Hogge’s observation are Professor Greenberger’s test results. Nearly two-thirds of the students surveyed said that if they explained to a professor that they were trying hard, that should be taken into account in their grade.” What exactly is Professor Greenberger a professor of? Art? Certainly that could be over critical especially since I don’t have my transfer degree yet. Over all I can relate to the message a lot. On both sides. I’m a student, that is why I’m here to LEARN, not to pretend that I know everything. On the other hand, I think in a America we expect to get what we pay for. In this case I think the assumption is we deserve a degree just because we paid for the classes. But in actuality, paying for the class doesn’t guarantee that we will pass it. It just means that we are guaranteed a seat.
If you work hard it doesn't mean that the quality of your work is going to be the best. It seems to me that students are complaining to much and want to be handed a good grade just cause they worked hard on it. It really doesn't matter how much time or how much effort you put into something what matters is the final product. If that final product isn't up to standard it isn't desirving of a good grade.
The Dean of Studies at my high school always said that learning should come first and grades should come after. If you really want to learn and you have CQ and PQ then it shouldn't matter what grade you get. Would you rather take a class where you learn nothing and get an A, or one where you learn a lot and get a C? I would rather like to learn than just get grades.
the other point is that these students are gettinig these low grades in 100 series classes. the only reason there taking the class is because it fulfills the degree, not because it is in there area of intrest.
“Instead of getting an A, they make an A" This is the key concept that some students dont understand. Effort shouldn't be rewarded just by itself, but effort is rewarded in test scores, so if you don't get a good grade, then there's always more effort you could put into it.
i find that alot of society is skewed in one way or another and we can not have this happen.. we need unbiased information
You know if the students really wanted to "get A's" instead of earning them all they would have to do is set up a blog, similar to this one, and comment on all the classes they've taken. They could offer their opinions on how easy the class may be, the work load, etc. It would be just like movie reviews, once you found a reviewer that you agree with you could simply follow their lead.
Dave, we do have that...its on Myspace, "rate your professor", and I do use it to my advantage, I love this class!
Being a running start student I kind of still have the mentality that the harder you work the better the grade you should get. But the reality of college has hit me hard. I work very hard and still get low grades. But that’s okay because this is college not high school. We should not be so focused on grades but it is hard not to be. We should just keep in mind that we all are working towards a goal, to get a degree so we can get a better job and that these grades won’t matter in the future. The most important thing is just to pass the class.
showing up everyday, doing the work and what the grade you deserve in a class is a fine line. ive been to classes where ive shown up everyday, done every bit of work and didnt get even a high B, my boyfriend goes to central. he never goes to class and doesnt try one most of his work, hes got A's. i think showing up for class and doing the work should be a definite part of your grade but it really isnt everything. yeah it sucks when you pay for a class and then dont pass but maybe you just arent learning what you need to. every grading criteria has its goods and its bads.
I really have no patients for people who think just because they tried, they should receive a good grade. Its all about material. You can't be good at everything.
Kayla if you understand that people are not good at everything, then why are saying that the people that lost their jobs should have went to school? Maybe they were not good at it, maybe they never would have ever thought the economy would be this bad and they would lose their jobs after twenty years?
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